CLUB MANIA: NEW CLUBS, MORE BULLSHIT
BY: $O ICY
THROTTLE BURNERZ MC
UNIONDALE, NY
BY: $O ICY
THROTTLE BURNERZ MC
UNIONDALE, NY
For those
that don’t know me, They call me $o Icy.
I’m the VP of Throttle Burnerz MC out of Uniondale, New York. The club has been around since 2004, but I’ve
been in the MC circuit since early 2008.
I’m going to talk about a situation in NY circuit that started out bad
and has just gotten progressively worse as time has gone by: the influx of “New Clubs” that constantly pop
up on the set and why starting a new club is more commonplace than prospecting
for an already established club in the NY circuit.
I’m sure
that if you’re reading this blog and are a member of a club in the NY circuit(5
Boroughs and Long Island). If you don't know this, get ready for a shock. There are currently well over 200 clubs on the
New York set, including MC/SC/AC/SUV/VC.
If you were to divide this evenly for the sake of argument, this would
give you at least 40 of each type of club in the New York Circuit alone and
there seems to be a new club being formed daily. I don’t see why it’s necessary to
have over 40 of the same type of club in the same area so what better way for
me to figure this thing out than to chop it up with the presidents of some of
these “New Clubs” that are popping up and see why they chose to go this route
as opposed to checking out the existing clubs on the set. Why didn't they go one of the established clubs having some research to see which one would fit
them the best and prospect for that club.
These are the most common scenarios that I’ve encountered:
Scenario # 1 – This is a “New Club” where a few
members of an existing club left the existing club as a group and decided to
start a “New Club”.
“Why did y’all leave your old club to start a new club?”
Prez: “We couldn’t deal with being in that
club anymore. We didn’t see eye to eye with them and decided to start our own
club”
“What’s going to be
different/special/unique about this new club than the club you just left?”
Prez: “We’re Loyal! We can do this thing better than they did and we’ll show them!”
Is it just
me or did I just hear this fool that just LEFT his club say that they started
their own club because they’re LOYAL?!?!
I’ve officially entered the twilight zone! The LOYAL thing to do would have been to work
out your differences with your original club and move forward. Instead they chose to take the “Easy” way out,
leaving an established club to start a “New Club”.
Scenario # 2 – This is a “New Club” that comes on
the scene, and all the members are related.
“What made y’all decide to start a
new club when there’s a lot of clubs on the set already?”
Prez: “We figured that it would be better
to start our own club since we’re family instead of joining a club with people
we don’t know like that!”
These guys
have completely missed the purpose of joining the circuit entirely! You don’t need rags to hang out with your
family; that’s why they’re your family.
The common bond you share with your club members is the love of what
those 2 letters on your rags signify, in my case the love of riding Motorcycles
(MC).
The third
and final scenario I’m going to discuss is the most common one
that I encountered when speaking to the Presidents of “New Clubs” on the set:
Scenario # 3 – This is a “New Club” where the
members are all new to the circuit (usually a group of friends).
“What made y’all start this club?
There are a lot of established clubs on the set already, did you look
into joining any of them before you decided to start this club”
Prez: “No. We wanted to join the circuit, so instead of
degrading ourselves by prospecting for one of these old clubs we decided to
start our own club.”
This is what
I like to call the recipe for destruction in the NY circuit. The classic “Everybody wants to be a chief,
nobody wants to be an Indian” mentality is what is destroying the NY circuit
and causing this abundance of New Clubs, “Pop-Up Clubs”, and Fly-By-Night clubs
to surface on a daily basis. There is
NOTHING degrading about prospecting to be in a club. On the contrary, once you prospect for a club
and earn your rags, you will respect them more and will be more respected by
your peers. Look at historically Black Fraternities
as an example; if your frat brothers find out that you got your letters by
“Skating” instead of enduring the pledging process, your letters hold no weight
at all!
The best
comparison I can make to show the damaging effect of new clubs constantly
popping up in the circuit on the integrity of the established clubs in the
circuit and the credibility of the circuit as a whole is to compare it to
money. The more new money you print, the
more you devalue the existing money as a whole.
The end result is there being a whole lot of money in circulation but
it’s not even worth the paper it’s being printed on. It's basic economics and we can take these economics and apply it to the circuit. There is no true demand for more clubs. People are just forming new clubs. There are plenty of clubs out there, too many as a matter of fact so the overpopulation will cause an overage which therein makes the clubs available a commodity 'cause everyone becomes watered down. Eventually it leads to an economic crisis and that's where the MC community stands in NY today.
If things keep moving this
way, the end result will be a whole lot of clubs in circulation, but they won’t
even be worth the price of the cuts on their back! So
instead of adding to the problem, we need to become a part of the
solution. Instead of starting that new
club, find an established club on the set that you think you can make a
contribution to, and help make them even stronger.
Let’s put the value back in the NY circuit
and keep it Sucka Free!
GREAT PIECE! IT'S LIKE THAT IN NEW JERSEY ALSO! A DAMN SHAME! NO ONE WANTS TO EARN THEIR CUTS ANYMORE AND IF THEY ARE IN A CLUB AND GET MAD AT THEIR PREZ FOR ANY LITTLE REASON THEY LEAVE TO MAKE A "HC" A HC IS A HATE CLUB BUILT TO SHOW UP THEIR OLD CLUB! I SIT BACK AND LAUGH AT THESE SUCKA ASS MC'S CAUSE IT'S JUST THE SAME CIRCUS JUST DIFFERENT CLOWNS! ITS OUR FAULT THO THAT THESE POP UP CLUBS EXSIST CAUSE IF THEY THROW A BULLSHIT EVENT EVERYONE IS THERE TO SUPPORT THE NONSENSE! STOP JEAPORDIZING THE INTEGRITY OF THE MC CULTURE AND PUT A BAN ON THESE BULLSHIT CLUBS! THESE ARE ONLY JUST MY THOUGHTS! THANK YOU AND GOD BLESS! CAPO VP THUG RIDERS M.C.
ReplyDeleteSince we can't just snatch rags anymore the only other option is to stamp the roaches out through finances. MC Embargo...oh shit...I gotta use that. Capo, great idea, my man.
Deletetime for patch overs, small clubs should not be allowed to exist in the area where major clubs rule and have been establish years longer than the new club, if they want to stay alive they should submit to being patched over or elimanated!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
DeleteISJ Saaiba.
Good morning just finish reading what U post on my wall...I thought it was well written and broken down into a form of understanding. Scenario 1 Hmm I understood the eye to eye there is a lot of that going on. However there's also other factors that some people choose this way out in order not to degrade the name of the club because of the Prez in question why have the entire membership seen as an unworthy group to join. Question? Should one expose the improper leadership knowing the consequence won't be at your favor or just pick up and leave.
DeleteScenario 2: Family members within the club, I agreed my family is not even on my club page I actually have a separate FB page just for them. After all isn't being in a club is one of many sole purposes to bound with people that might even go to war for U while a blood family member won't. However I had seen this community destroy many family bounds and relationship. I know one might say well I guess that bound wasn't that strong, or shouldn't we also reflect on certain family values for instances we have 2 family your club and your blood we need to be able to balance both in order to maintain both families after all they both important.
DeleteIf your President is a coward then it reflects poorly on the men following him. If your President is a poser then it reflects poorly on the men following him. If your President doesn't know protocol then ....
DeleteThe point is if you're willing to follow an idiot then that makes you an idiot as well. The President is the face of that club and people will look to him to provide that face of the club and if he's whack..well, you're even MORE whack for following him.
These are the same words I was thinking, it presents a challenge to follow them.
DeleteI AGREE WITH CAPO THIS HAS GOT OUT OF HAND BUT YOU HAVE TO BLAME THE CIRCUIT A LIL CAUSE ALL THIS NEW STUFF THEY DOING CHANGING RULES MORE PARTYING THAN RIDING TO SOME THIS HAS BECAME A BUSINESS IT'S WHAT THE THE CIRCUIT ALLOW IJS BIG SLIM INDEPENDENT RIDER
DeleteAs far as the president/improper leadership thing goes, I think that goes back to how the president got their title. If the club appointed the president because everyone agreed he was the right person for the job, there is much less of a chance that the improper leadership situation will occur. If the president appointed themself the president because they started the club or whatever, then there is a much greater chance of you having an improper leader. If your Prez isnt willing to put whats best for the club before whats best for themself, even if it means stepping down, then you're in the wrong club.
DeleteI FEEL U ON ALL U SAID YET U CANT ATTACK THE NEW CLUBS CAUSE ITS BEEN GOING ON FOR A WHILE NOW LIKE U SAID YET I FEEL ANY CLUB THT CAME OUT N THE LAST 5 YEARS FALL UNDER THE SAME,MY CLUB BEEN OUT SINCE 99 N SOME CLUBS WE DEAL WITH ON A DAY TO DAY R NEW MY ISSUE AINT THE NEW MY ISSUE IS HOW ITS ALL A WHO HOT RIGHT NOW CONTEST NO RULES NO KNOWLEDGE DONT KNOW THE HISTORY R THE BROTHERHOOD N MOST DONT HAVE BIKES. THESE SO CALLED CLUBS R HAVING MORE PARTIES THEN MILES ON THEIR BIKES,THEY BARELY LEAVE THEY PLACE WHERE THEY R FROM,N GOT EVERY EXCUSE TO Y THEY DO THIS N Y THEY DO THT,ASK Y MOST OF THEIR MEMBERS DONT HAVE A BIKE,R HOW THEY COLORS N NAMES LOOK N SOUND SILLY,N SAY THEY GOT A OK FROM THIS N THT 1 ITS SAD N A JOKE N I CAN ONLY SPEAK FOR MYSELF N MY TEAM WE DONT SUPPORT THEM N ANY WAY R FORM R FASHION. AND THT WHERE IT NEEDS TO STOP CAUSE MOST R IN IT FOR MONEY NOT FOR THE RIDE R THE BROTHERHOOD OK STEPPING OFF MY SOUP BOX....
ReplyDeleteTHE GOD
HEAVY HITTERS
EST 99
Extinction through finances. I dig it.
DeleteThanks God, you've been on the set a long time so I know you know how it was before and youve seen the change first hand. Education is key, so I do agree with not supporting the bs. it used to be about the brotherhood and the love of the ride, now its becoming a means of financial gain. We need to bring the brotherhood back and cut out the profit margin.
DeleteDamn......well done and I agree we need to stop turning a blind eye an need to boycott the B.S. I started from the ground up in 06' with nothing on my vest but my name & a pin & to see these fools that don't wanna put in the work but reap the benifits so to speak deserve nothing less then a backhand. My brothers & I enjoy the backlash of being the "a*sholes" that call out people on their B.S. because if we're gonna fix this problem....ya gotta start somewhere. Rain 914 Sluggers MC NY
ReplyDeleteWord life, Big Brother
DeleteI hear you Rain. Whats important is that you did the right thing and went through the full process to join the set, and now that you put it out there for others to see, maybe the message will sink in and people that just popped up with some rags on overnight will realize that theres rules to this thing here and they need to be followed.
DeleteHmmmm this guy actually has some good facts and made some good points. however, Throttle Burners MC has been out since 2004? Im not a believer, i was thinkin more like Throttle Burners MC has been out since 2010. Thats my only issue with this piece.
ReplyDeleteWe have been out since 2004, Throttle Burnerz wasnt the original name. we changed our name in 2011.
DeleteSo basically Throttle Burners MC <-- Notice the name has been out as that name since 2011
DeleteYes the name has been out as that name since 2011, the club has been out since 2004. Same colors and logo since 2004.
DeleteIs there another question or underlying question you're trying to ask? If not, what's your take on the new clubs popping up?
DeleteCrickets, Ronnie, crickets.
DeleteInteresting piece. I think most major cities would have this same arguement. My city formed an alliance to try and curtail this type of thing from happening. Then you have those that complain about the alliance that is sanctioned by our dominant. I think its better than just complaining about it. We say we dont want OMC in our business or regulating us....then get your s$@t right ! In an attempt to do something other than complain the Alliance is an regulator of protocol. True their are some kinks in the system but at least its our own attempt to correct ourselves.
ReplyDeleteMy question to the author and others is, What are you doing to change it ? Are you still going to their parties, bike wash etc.... Are you allowing them in your events with their rags walking in with no bikes taking most repped trophies ? Bottom line its OUR set, us the power you have to check that ragedy s$&t in, before you have OMC come in and regulate for you.
Whoo Dey
A.L.L.S.T.A.R. MC
Cincy,OH
Hey whoo dey. I met you when I rode to cincy for qcd's annual last year. to answer your question, me writing this blog and trying to shrd light on the issue is one way of me trying to fix the situation. its not gonna clear up overnight, but hopefully blogs like this and the whole sucka free mc movement will open alot of eyes and make alot of people reevaluate their current situation and work to improve it so we can get back to the MC in its pure form.
DeleteNo different than a corporation, it's a trickle down effect. If MC's & Presidents directly or indirectly foster the support of these clubs through their members...the cycle will forever continue. Following traditional MC protocol and maintaining that mind-set internally sets the tone for other MC's to emulate. Lead by example, a timeless statement that can makes enormous difference.
DeleteWearing t-shirts as a new MC & showing up to every party in the circuit doesn't impress me, you're going to be an MC so wear a fucking vest. Cause once those t-shirts come off - the circus show begins...with new clowns.
Jerry Nat'l VP Lost Boyz MC
I do believe its a start, $o Icy, however the follow through is imperative. One thing I like about having an Alliance is Presidents get together, acknowledge the BS and collectively say who is not going to be supported or acknowledged. Its the Martin Luther king way of MC, instead of the Malcom X way of OMC....yet both are necessary. @ Jerry, true to form it does start with the President. If you have no collective way to say yall on some bulls&*t, then how will you get things done. If our entire Alliance doesnt support a club financially they have no choice but to disappear. If we stop letting them show up 40 deep with 5 bikes, or even stop acknowledging their rags all together....dont we have the power.
DeleteOn the ideal of loyalty if you Don't know where you've come from then you don't know where you're going; history is the key that unlocks the door to sucess. The struggle that our forefathers have endured the trails, the ups and downs of those who have paved the way. Note their experiences, there are so many pitfalls that can be avoided and the wealth of knowlegde to be gained, not to mention the embarrments. This is where you learn respect and that respect develops a bond and that bond develops into loyalty. Again good read Icy.
ReplyDeleteRock Brats MC
You hit the nail on the head Rock. You and I chop it up all the time regarding the set so I already knew you were going to drop some solid knowledge. Looking forward to seeing your wife's blog, im sure she has some real insight to share with the sucka free community!
DeleteGood stuff Icy I agree 100% especially the part about prospecting.
ReplyDeleteThanks eric, its real talk. Idk when the negative stigma got attached to prospecting, but that was the beginning of the end! The positive side of prospecting and "earning" your rags needs to be brought back out into the light and maybe then people will stop looking for a free ride on the set.
DeleteIt all starts with each club & their members. If your MC is part of an Coalition, Alliance or Association and the boycott of any club(s) can take place at that level then that's a great tool. NY doesn't have that particular tool fine tuned as yet. There are Coalitions, Alliances & Associations but as always NY is unique so it should start at the club level. Can't worry about what everyone else is doing sometimes.
ReplyDeleteJerry Nat'l VP Lost Boyz MC
Amen brother Jerry. It starts at home, club level on up. If everyone works on their own situation and makes sure they are following the proper protocols then the problem will fix itself so to speak. I hear way too often "well that club is doing it so why shouldnt I?" Nothing will change if everybody follows that mentality.
DeleteI agree, regardless of coalition, or alliance the only way to stop fake pop up clubs is to not support them, or even allow them to support your event.But how many of u really gonna turn away a club 20-30 deep at $15 a head. Most of the clubs rent these places at 4-6grand an only look at their bottom line an protocol an tradition go out the window. Now if clubs really wanna make a stand do something where these new clubs can come an guide them. There are so many clubs an so many events its almost impossible to keep up...Yes im part of a well known OMC an i see alot of things that well is straight laughable. Yes i try to talk to some clubs when i see them fuckin up or got their rags wrong an most times they take my advice but then u got them guys who get a attitude an get on the defensive. An then they find themselves a few teeth lighter an then we are viewed as the bad guys. But kudos to the clubs that try to keep the culture alive an not afraid to ask question or take direction. Keep true biker culture alive ((put the sportbike away an become part of a OMC. Little Man Crazy Pistons M/C
DeleteThanks little man, its an honor and priviledge to get an omc's take on this situation. I feel your point about it being hard to turn away money to follow protocol, it might be more feasible to try to put something together to guide these clubs in the right direction as you said. It will take a collective effort to pull something like that off, but we gotta start somewhere.
DeleteGreat blog...same thing happening here in Nashville too!!!
ReplyDeleteSame people, same places, different vests every other week. Everybody having parties, offering trophies, and giving away prizes for a fee. This epidemic has truly gotten outta hand in ALL areas! Today's "CLUBS" are nothing more than a fad, or a way to be "part of the crowd" and/or get a discount at the door of a party.
Agreed..."too many Chief's, not enough Indians"...and the Chiefs aren't even qualified to be Indians!!! Blessed, Established, Recognized, & Respected...FOLLOW PROTOCOL!!!
Thanks. Well spoken! Protocol is the key. If you got rid of all the clubs that dont adhere to protocol or didnt go through the proper channels to exist, the majority would dissappear. Quality over quantity.
DeleteABSOLUTELY!!! My MC (est. 2008) is a member of an educational organization that directs potential clubs into the proper channels of becoming a blessed/recognized MC in our area as well as leading community activities to give back to those in need. Most members are older clubs that have been in existence for many years. In my 22 years being in & out of the MC set, the greed and inconsiderate actions taken on by these "pop-up" clubs has made it an even harder task for those that choose to fund raise for, or give to charities. The attitudes of the "quantity", who barely even know each other, are a disgrace to the reputation the "quality" have worked so hard to defend for so many years. TRUE MC's are Brothers & Sisters...we KNOW each other, we LOVE each other, we ARE family regardless of the blood!!! The tranquility of RIDING and the fun times spent TOGETHER are whats important...not a party, a trophy, or the money!!! Every person I encounter on the set gets a invite to read, educate, inquire, & respond to the SUCKA FREE MC movement so they too may have the chance to join a club that is following the path created. To everyone that has an opinion of said clubs...voice that opinion and be a part of this much needed movement!!! 1<3
ReplyDeleteAMEN!!!!!!!!
DeleteThere is one scenario I think was maybe left out... What are your views on an MC coming out of an AC? For instance, my MC came out of Inner Circle AC, which has been around since 1999. Inner Circle MC, however, was not established until 2010. Inner Circle MC did not consist of members leaving to form their own club, nor did it consist of a group of relatives or newbies to the set. It did consist of a group of riders who knew about ICAC, our values, goals & purpose, and who wanted to bring these into the MC circuit and expand our brotherhood. What are your views on an AC or TC expanding into the MC circuit? Is it a positive if the MC came out from an established AC/TC or do you still see it as a negative? If still a negative, why and what should be done differently?
ReplyDeleteMerlin, there were alot of scenarios I didnt touch on due to the fact the blog would have gone on for pages and pages. I just touched on the 3 I encountered most ofter. To address your situation, honestly if your MC comes from an AC or othet entity it will be scrutinized more closely than if it was an MC from the start. So my advice to you would be to make sure your MC follows protocol for MC because MC is totally different than any other entity out there and if your MC plays by the rules and respects tradition you should be fine.
DeleteThanks for your response So Icy... hopefully we meet in person soon... I'm trying to make sure protocol is being followed and by learning a lot from this blog as well as from the one on FB and asking questions and doing my research. Believe me I am doing my best to pass this info to my brothers and keeping us from becoming one of these sucka mc's lol. Tradition has always been a major factor for Inner Circle as a whole and we will continue to follow it. Thanks again.
DeleteMerlin, ive met you before, even bought a patch from you, lol. I boughy a bike from your Prez, Stocky. He's a good dude. We'll talk next time I see you for sure.
DeleteThat's so terrible of me but please don't mind my forgetfulness lol... I'm terrible with names but great with faces (most times lol)... Looking forward to the next time we meet :)
DeleteHow about mind your own business shut the fuck up and ride?? All this club shit is starting to get like gang shit and we all know gangs are for pussies
ReplyDeleteI suppose that's an option too.
DeleteLet me ask you something, do you have anything you're passionate about? I dunno..maybe your job. Let's say you're a sales person and you're doing your job the way it was taught for you to do it and you do it well. Then you see a whole bunch of sales people with no experience coming into your field and messing things up by not following rules of engagement with clients causing things to go amok in your house.
Would you say, mind your own business, shut the fuck up and sell or would you try to address the situation?
This is an MC Blog. Please google "Riding for fun" and frequent their site. Thank you.
DeleteMerlin, in my humble opinion, it doesn't matter to me if an MC was birthed from any other type club as long as you carry yourselves like an MC and are respectful of those MC's that came before and can educate you. Never stop educating yourself as an MC.
ReplyDeleteJerry Nat'l VP Lost Boyz MC
Thanks Jerry... Respect goes a long way and I know especially in the MC life. I've always respected MC's, especially those before me and look forward to learning a lot from them. I'm constantly doing my research because I know there's a lot to being an MC and I want to make sure my brothers have this information as well. I can't be the only one having all this information and have my fam acting a fool because they lack it. Don't be surprised if next time I see I bombard you with questions though lol. Thanks again.
DeleteThis was a great conversation piece and good to see the views of others. I wonder is the problem of a new club starting for the wrong reason and lack of education. Or that a new club is exsisting? Small businesses start up every year, but many fail due to lack of education, leadership and continued failure. I believe if the strong clubs maintain and continue to grow, then the weak ones will faze out.Many people may have bikes but only a few really RIDE!
ReplyDeleteI have read all of the blogs on this site and I must say... They are very interesting as in a way some of these issues does or at some point did pertain to my club!
ReplyDeleteYou see, our club was one Of those clubs that started because we all liked to ride together so we figured what the hell. So yes we were that pop-up club! We had no idea what we were doing.
However, our senior clubs caught wind of it and instead of trashing us and or downing us they
embraced us and showed us the right way to go
about repping MC. We have been out 3 years and still have not thrown a party by choice! We felt that a trophy party was not as much of a priority as being recognized FIRST. I guess the point that I am trying to make is this.... In just 3 years I have seen every scenario described in the blogs above! So i can definitely see where you clubs that have endured watching this over far many more years are frustrated. At the same time I have to say not all pop-up clubs are here or will be here to juice the MC community. Nor are they here for the show. Unfortunately, most pop-up clubs get that label though. Well I hope my blog isn't perceived as defensive or anything like that! I have the utmost respect for veteran clubs and I constantly strive to be that veteran club one day, but until then we will ride and show love to everybody!
Not defensive at all. Informative and well received. Thanks for publishing.
DeleteAnother common scenario that's leading to the formation of new clubs is that fact that a lot of MC's are doing more partying & BS'n than RIDING! When me & my team mount up guaranteed a minimum of 100 miles & 2 fill ups are required.
ReplyDeleteVery true! I see alot of this going on. I shate your philosphy as far as a good ride being at least 100 miles, although my bike gets 100 miles + on the first fill up, lol. MC = motorcycle club, so if riding a motorcycle isnt on the top of your club's agenda you definitely have the wrong letters on your back.
DeleteSo Icy u on point!And wutchu said touches base on the problem. Not just in NY but all over. I see this shit all the time. they want to start a club because they don't want to put in the work. Prospecting is learnin. thats why there is so many clubs that don't know nothin. I wanted to prospect because I don't wanna walk around and don't know anything. u have to respect the community in order to get it in return. these people need to know that it's more than just puttn on a vest and callin it a club. thats is the main reason I never joined a new club. these cats need a MC diploma!!!!!
ReplyDeleteThanks Tigga. This was exactly the point I waa trying to make. Before you just come in and decide to start a club, you should see whats already out there, you will probably find that the club you wanted to start already exists. Prospecting is a form of education and a way to learn the set and learn about the club youre interested in becoming a part of, not just for them to learn about you. It works both ways.
DeleteHow is anybody else's bike, bike club, style of riding in any way shape or form your business? If YOU can't smile and nod then look away and say nothing...just do you
ReplyDeleteIt's not about minding the business of other clubs. It's about minding the business of the culture you love and respect.
DeleteI'm not minding any other club's business, just sharing my view on the present state of the MC commmunity where I live. Its like the MTA. "when you see something, say something!" I see something going on, so im saying something. Nobody that reads my blog HAS to change their club at all. Im just offering some information that people may find useful or helpful. For example if your bike breaks down and I offer you the tools to fix it, you dont have to use them but at least now you have the option.
DeleteOkay, you seem to be the same person with the questions etc. I will say again, this is an MC Blog. You are most welcomed and at this juncture encouraged to go to a site that features "Ride free and beautiful" or any other such title but clearly this isn't the site for you. Now, if your interested in different takes on MC Culture(not "Fun Riders do..*insert city), stay, Or the hardcore "it is what it is" ,stay. If not well...Oh..lemme sign my name.
DeleteWe need to start doing it how they did Kid on Biker Boyz when he wanted to start his club. He went in front of the MC Community Board & got the approval to start his club. Watching Biker Boyz should be a prerequisite for joining the MC Community.
ReplyDeleteYes movies are usually based on a true scenario becausr producers and writers research their subject matter to give it a real feel. Biker Boyz is based on the west coast biker community where it is way more stringent than the east coast community. We could learn alot from the west coast MC set, they dont play any games out there. I always wondered why we dont have an MC board like in biker boys, definitely something to think about........
DeleteWow I'm seeing a lot of tough talk on here but you want to remain nameless, you're the same nutless p*ssies that our the desease we're talking about. You're just posers a.k.a. Dog Sh*t under my boot and if you need me to tell you this to your face.....HI POSER MY NAME IS RAIN FROM SLUGGERS MC NY & I'll call u on your B.S. anytime of day
ReplyDeleteThere are a few reasons why people start their own clubs after leaving their old one. I'm not saying whether its right or wrong. I'll let others judge that. Some may have done a couple of clubs and tried it. Those clubs didn't hold to their ideas and beliefs (takes a while to see that once you see the inner workings of that Club). Some may have had a bad taste in their mouth after some type situation happened and figure maybe the only way to do it right it to do it "myself". It's also true that some folks may just want to be the Chief cause they need that President bar on their chest.
ReplyDeleteI must say I found the blog to make for an interesting read to say the least. What I found even more interesting were the replies/comments. The way ppl throw the words tradition and protocol around, when they themselves are violators of the two.TRADITIONALLY, sports bike riders wore a 1 maybe 2 piece patch because TRADITIONALLY a 3 piece patch has always belong to the Harley riding outlaw culture.It's the same with the term "M.C. Club" TRADITIONALLY it has always been used to refer to the outlaw biker while TRADITIONALLY R.C. has been used to refer to the sports bike riders.So let's do some deep introspection before we berate any club "pop-up" or not.
ReplyDeleteThank you for sharing that, man. It's incredibly useful and informative and just gotdamn smart.
DeleteSo Icy take the stones and jewels off of your vest before you start preaching
ReplyDeleteHow about you put your name to your words before you start replying? If you have seen me anytime since years ago you havent seen a stone or jewel on my colors. This life is a learning process for everyone, people learn as they go along. Ive learned things and adjusted accordingly now im here sharing with others so they dont have to learn things that I had to learn the hard way. knowing the rules is the first step to following them.
DeleteI dig the piece, up in my part of the world to start a new club and have any type of respect you have to run it threw the "assosiation"( a panel of presidents from local dominate sport bike clubs). Because of my job I had to move. So when me and a couple of the homies fought to establish a new chapter in this area ( of a club with over 20 chapters across 14 states) we were automatically categorized as a POP UP club. And given no respect. So we went to the most dominate 1%ER club and proposed the idea respectfully. Our already full patched members introduced themselves as who they were. The guys who hadn't earned their rags as "hang arounds". Respect was given, protocols were followed and besides a few off colored remarks, since we are a mixed race club. We were easily blessed off on. Their VP even knew our some of our national staff and even invited us to party.
ReplyDeleteWith that being said, we can't automatically call a new club a "POP up" until we do the research. The way I see it is, if there are known and respected dudes in the MC community that know their shit and start a small club that operates like an "old club" with protocols and respect. Isnt that better for the MC world than larger well known "Sucka MCs" with beedazzled cuts, cute outfits more partyers than riders?????
Thanks for your input and I respect the fact that you and your team went the extra mile and did what you had to do to be a recognized club in your area. To answer your question yes that is better but o should clarify the issue that is going on here where I'm from. If the clubs that came out over here did what you did to come out, there wouldn't be as many clubs popping up because the definition of a "pop-up club" is a club that just goes out and purchases some cuts and just comes out on the set and expects to be respected and recognized without doing any research or going through any of the channels that you went through to come out. Every club was a new club at one time so its not about bashing new clubs, its about having respect for the people that came before you and paved the way for this culture to grow to what it is before just coming out on the scene and thinking you're just gonna be given that respect that others had to earn.
DeleteHow can someone in a club that is 8yrs old, a child basically, complain about a new club? How many clubs were there in the NY circuit in 2004? I am sure that when So Icy joined his club, that was 4yrs old, there was other clubs out there that were 15, 20, 25yrs old. Every club was a "pop-up" club at one point. If you want these clubs to go away quit supporting their money making efforts, meaning their bike washes, cookouts, bike nights, and parties. Just my two cents.
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I just said the same exact thing you just said in my last post. It helps to read before you reply. I do agree with your logic tho sir BAM. I don't support money making efforts from clubs that I feel just came out to make money. If everyone does the same then maybe something will change.
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