Friday, March 30, 2012

The REBUTTALS Vol. 1


SUCKA MC FREE Presents:
The REBUTTALS Vol. 1
RIDING NAME: DAVE AKA O.D.
CLUB: TRIPLE XXX RIDERS MC, STRONG (LONG) ISLAND, NY

You're Not a Biker, You Just Crush A Lot

While I may agree with some of the comments that the staff of Sucka MC Free made and/or the questions that were posed the one thing that stood out to me in this particular blog was “being a biker has very little in fact to do with owning a motorcycle”. If you don't have a bike but you live the biker lifestyle/mindset, why wouldn't you be considered a motorcycle enthusiast? One of the keys to being a biker would be having a bike and riding that bike. If I’m talking to you about my latest road trip or something I experienced on my bike, you may understand or have some idea but how could you really relate to something you haven’t experienced for yourself to some degree or another? Only another rider can relate to the the feeling of me and my bike against the world, the skill involved to be able to navigate through all that they may encounter on the road, and the sense of pride and accomplishment of having a bike. If it were easy everyone would do it.
On the sport bike side of things the term "Real Rider" is used while our cruising counterparts tend to use "biker" more. I've been called both and for some reason I get called crazy a lot also but we’re not going to talk about that right now. As with most things it's a matter of perception and upbringing and/or how they were introduced to the bike world. So if to gain the respect and admiration of your peers you go hard on the Southern State or local circuit of interconnecting road then that’s what you do. On the other side, if mileage and road trips are the determining factor then that’s what you would do on that side.  People get caught up in being a “Real Rider” or “Biker” instead of just being the best "ME" they could be. 

When you do things on the motorcycle scene for yourself you could care less what anybody says or tries to categories you as. Your actions will speak for themselves. My only issue is when people try to be something they’re not. If you’re not built for it, don’t go outside of your comfort zone for the mere sake of your peers accolades. Things happen on the road but don’t let it be due to the fact you were not in your lane and trying to impress someone else.

And on side note there were way too many Blue Oyster* references, LOL

The Irrelevant Black Biker: The Ghost Rider Series
I came on the bike scene as naive as most but have a passion for riding and the lifestyle so I’ve learned a lot along the way. I suppose you could call it on the job training so to speak.  In my circles there were no dominants to be seen just clubs that were around a little longer than some and those were the elders on the sport bike scene. We considered those cats young” elders and that’s where we modeled ourselves from. From my understanding when sport bike clubs were being formed in NY, the traditional bike scene didn’t want anything to do with us, so there was a definite lack of a knowledge/history transfer. 
So as the saying goes ignorance is bliss, but that’s until you come into a situation where ignorance is not a valid excuse. That situation rarely happens when you stay in you comfort zone. Urban translation of “comfort zone” is in your hood, local set, circuit, or whatever else it may be called.

I tell people all the time there’s way more to being in a MC than just riding. First and foremost there is MC protocol the rules that govern the MC community, most have nothing to do with riding but will keep you from unknowingly disrespecting the next man or club. The show love to get love scenario, where if you want others to support you and your clubs functions or activities, you have to be an active supporter of others. While motorcycles may be the common denominator, there are so many other factors that separate us even more as to what we do in the MC community, i.e. parties, charities, riding (local or distance), racing (street or track). Some clubs or individual may have things they prefer to do while rocking their patch and after some time in the community you’re going to develop bonds with likeminded clubs and individuals and inevitably that’s who and what you will support.

On the other side of that coin if you want MC knowledge you can and will put the effort into finding out about MC history. Since I have some knowledge I can understand why some traditionalist and OMC’s feel the way they do about things. I’m pretty sure it’s the same way that those who marched for Civil Rights feel about some of the things going on in our local neighborhoods today. It’s not the vision they saw for the future.  I don’t have a solution to make the MC world perfect but I have a very simple solution to a real simple problem. If you don’t like something then don’t support it.


Biker Racism: The Jim Crow MC Nation

Good read I have nothing really to add but like the point the Sucka MC Free staff brought out about how things were traditionally formed and the era it was formed in was at a time of segregation. I remember reading about how some black people were against bringing the races together cause when we were segregated, we had our own and supported our own and everyone knew their place. I grew up in the south where there were literally train tracks that separated the races and to this day they still have a black graveyard and a white one.

My biggest issue with racism is the hate that comes along with it. It’s natural to have pride in your race but why literally hate the next one to the point that you want to cause them harm? Another point was the taxation without representation. If support clubs are considered minor league in most respects and the OMC the majors, why play if you can never make it to the big leagues?  My final point was the prices of Harleys compared to Jap bikes or Metrics, which is one of the biggest limiting factor why more black people don’t have them. It’s like the neighborhoods that keep the home prices higher so that other races can’t afford to move in and when the do move in, there is always some type of tension. Most people buy Harleys for the name, they make some nice bike but for 20,000 dollars and the X amount I have to spend on upkeep are they really worth it? By the way Harleys are American assembled not American made, LOL.

MC TITLE HOLDERS: The Good, The Bad, The Bullshit ...

This will not be the 1st or last time I hear the PRO positioned questioned and I understand fully that the PRO position is not a traditional MC position, but although Business Manager is not a traditional position it is used a lot by traditional MCs as a point of contact.

Most clubs today are not traditional and may not expand their knowledge past their local set so for them it’s all  good in the hood so to speak.  These clubs will do what they see being done and take it as the way things are supposed to be, so when an alternative view does come up they will fight you tooth and nail because this is how things have been done around them and this is how we will continue to do it. If you think about it, that does sounds kind of familiar because this is how some traditional clubs feel as well.  So now you have two conflicting views.

So let me get back to the PRO position. The position is in my bylaws and it’s how my club chooses to operate. I could leave it at that but what fun would that be?(!).
 
The PRO position in a MC has been around for at least a decade so it’s far from new or a fad. Whoever /whatever brought the position over into the MC world saw a value for it and those that followed suit saw a value for it as well or it would have been dropped.  True everyone should represent their club but designating a funnel/filter for info in and out of the club is very efficient. If we are all out and all get the same flyer why should there be X number of conversations about the same thing? All this info could be gathered by one person and presented at a meeting. True indeed the secretary could do it, but that would be one more thing added to their plate.  Most PRO’s that I have meet were voted or appointed to that position because they were on the set hard, representing and networking  for their club and they were doing the job before they had the title.

Just some of some my thoughts and on another note I’m glad The Sucka MC Free staff did break down all of the other positions and their duties and for the mere fact that you have mentioned a PRO one day it may be in that list as well with Responsibilities & Intangibles. I have no problem with traditionalists not accepting or recognizing the position because it’s not traditional, but most traditional clubs are not in my circle and when I am around them I already know how they feel so there’s no reason to bring it up. Would you feel better if the PRO was called the Assistant Secretary? In your duty listing I didn't really see where the positions overlap. The secretary pretty much takes care of stuff internal to the club, records, minutes, notes, etc where as the PRO deals with things on more of an external nature, social media, contact list, other clubs events, etc.
Some will always be resistant to change just because it’s different and at this point I don't see a down side to the PRO position. It’s a definite to each their own type of thing and unless I'm talking to another PRO or someone asks for the PRO of the club, I don't use my title in introductions. I'm not arguing that a secretary can’t take on the workload of a PRO but why should they if there is an option for someone to be dedicated at the task?

THE SUCKA MC FREE blog opens up a dialogue into things we deal with in the MC community and whether you love or hate their opinions , it does bikers/riders in our community insight into another point of view. There are some thing that do make sense or at least are note worthy enough to take into consideration or add to my knowledgebase. I may not agree with everything that’s always said but, I can see sometimes where they’re coming from and can agree to disagree with him and still be cool.
So be safe out there and oh yeah, Stay Sucka MC Free, y’all.
 
The Sucka MC Free Staff would like to thank Dave and his club Triple XXX Riders for reading our weekly blog but also being moved enough to contribute their voice to the discussion. We encourage riders/bikers who want to do a guest spot to email us so we can share the guidelines for submission so the blog continues to be an exchange of ideas and thoughts. Dave, you just earned yourself a free Sucka MC Free tee shirt…size extra medium of course.

4 comments:

  1. name: jerry, nat'l vp
    mc: lost boyz mc (ny)


    Imir - you've certainly touched on many MC related issues that have stood the test of time since MC's originated. Although I agree with Dave & you on a lot of your touch-points...there has to be a separation between Sport bike MC & Outlaw/1% MC. First cause most riders don't know or care about the differences and second cause they each take on difference facets of the MC world.

    Title importance & role mean different things to each, yes some take more pride and others just take. The differences are night and day in most instances but that goes back to the importance and care that particular MC has for the history and "MC" on their back.

    The debate over importance of a PRO to me is a mute point outside of the outlaw/1% world, they serve a purpose and in some cases a huge importance to their MC. Especially those that travel as one through events across the states. In the outlaw/1% world, for those that know it, they have a different protocol.

    Everyone doesn't want to run their MC like an outlaw/1% MC for various reasons one of which is ‘commitment’, just take a survey of presidents & vp’s to gauge how many clubs they’ve been in…not to mention the vest collectors running rampant in non outlaw/1% MC’s. There are a lot of good riders out there, are they MC material, well depends on that MC. Clubs are started but the meaning of that MC can mean different things…(M)ore (C)ash, (M)ore (C)hicks, (M)otorcycles (C)ars, (M)ore (C)lients and to those that care it really means Motorcycle Club. Most have never been approached by an outlaw/1% MC for their rocker but most never leave the comfort of their city either.

    Lastly, on the Racism in the outlaw/1% MC world…yes it exists but the existence many have benefited from on both sides. No different than governments against governments in today’s society. We can dissect this MC subject infinitely but it’s not for us to dissect. If you choose to support an outlaw/1% MC – make sure you do your homework, know your history and theirs know the players and know the potential consequences related to the support your MC is giving.

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    1. First of all, Jerry it says alot about the blog when someone with your title and rank in the MC community takes the time to reach out. Thank you, sir.

      I hear you that everyone doesn't want to run their club like a 1% outfit and I admit that my "sermons" preach more of an outlaw protocol then anything else. Well, actually some say outlaw and I say traditional. I don't have any intentions or wish to have everyone change their club over to a traditional MC but what I do have issue with is are clubs who have no rules, no protocols or anything and as a result they go out here and represent like complete idiots. People in the community might be able to tell the difference between clubs but to a cop, we're all assholes on two's when in actuality it's just a handful. Some places in Long Island won't even take biker business because of some ill repute clubs. It's ridiculous.

      We agree on the PRO position being a moot point outside of a 1% world but what I've challenged people to do is look at what the responsibilities are of the positions currently in the club, look at the contributions of every member and then ask yourself is the PRO truly a position for one person or is that everyone's role? Just like the burden of doing the job on secretary can be huge, doesn't the same apply for the PRO?

      And lastly your point of racism and support I have nothing to add 'cept because clubs today are so gotdamn ignorant of roles, tradition and what's expected, they walk around with support patches just 'cause it's cool. They have no idea what they truly entail. Jerry, what you said of "do your homework" applies and that's what Sucka MC Free is all about. I've done my homework so the people who are too lazy to do theirs should regard our blog as Cliff Notes 102.

      Thank you for reading sir and like I said before, truly an honor to have you on the message board.

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  2. Well said Jerry ... But it seems the community is filled with people who are more concerned with how a club is run, who has colors and no bike, who puts mileage and who doesnt. I did not spend 14,000.00+ on a bike to worry about the next man/woman. At the end of the day ... it is all a learning experience. I agree completely ...people should do the research and learn ... knowledge is power. Like you said there are some potential consequences to this game. Otherwise enjoy your bike enjoy the roads and be concerned with your own house ... make sure its in order and its correct. Why throw stones when you live in glass houses. There have been times when I miss being a part of a club but ... I enjoy the Motorcycle Community just fine as an independent. However, I do get tired of hearing TRADITIONALLY this .... TRADITIONALLY that... TRADITIONS are made to be BROKEN just like RULES. What if Bessie Stringfield lived by tradition .... what if Martin or Malcolm lived strictly by tradition and the rules set upon them? Things are bad now ... but just imagine how much worse they would be if they had held true to old traditions and rules. .... And that's my 3 cents!

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  3. Elena, I can't help but to disagree with you here but in the same breath present an amicable option for the base of our disagreement.

    I do not believe that traditions and rules are made to be broken. I believe they're made to be challenged and improved upon but broken? No. MC's today are in no position to challenge those rules because they haven't even done enough research to figure out what those rules are in the first place. How can you break the rules when you don't even know what they are.

    It's simple enough to let live and live to let be but the problem is we're not separated by those who know and those who don't. We mingle and when that happens is when my disgust for ignorance bubbles and becomes impossible to shield.

    The amicable solution I mentioned above is this: clubs who follow MC rules and conduct themselves in a way that's respectful of the community and more importantly their own club, get respect and acknowledgement. More importantly they should benefit from it by being acknowledged at parties either through select admission costs or something along those lines. Other clubs shouldn't be invited or given any face time by "real" clubs.

    Like the West Coast, NY needs to set up a council that regulates clubs not just for the purpose of taxing and being beligerent, but for the main purpose of guiding those who don't know in the right direction.

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